Entry: Anchorless Tuesday, January 20, 2004



The average Tuesday.  Spanish was a bear with all the Libro Rojo-like problems, and there's more due Thursday.  Hooboy.  Math - what a KILLAH LOG QUIZ - but otherwise decent.  Mr. Berry's great for helping me out so much.  Physics - labs out the wazoo.  The Colonel is a Taskmaster!  But it's okay, we got a lot done and my grades need all the boosters they can get.  History was one of the roughest lecture periods of my whole life (save for the last President one).  All the English stuff is all coming together and everything is due...and...and... it's almost time for impeturbable (unpeturbable? that's right) me to start going nuts.

The 4-day weekend is going to be GLORIOUS.

GLORIOUS.

GLORIOUS.

Just another aside.  This one's a bit lengthy and is on extroverts/introverts.

Everyone thinks they can categorize introverts and extroverts by watching them in a situation and seeing how they behave.  They're at a party and see someone smiling and having fun.  "Hey, that guy's an extrovert!  He's having fun!"  Mistake #1.  In regards to the Myers-Briggs Type Interface, E/I is determined by one simple rule of thumb.  It's all about decision making.

Extroverts act before thinking.
Introverts think before acting.

But what most people don't understand is...

Both types act.
And both types think.

This means that they're much more similar than people can lead themselves to believe.  In fact, in their differences lies their similarities.  Think of the last time you saw two extreme extroverted people together.  I'm sure you could hear them from miles away.  And think about the last time you saw two introverts in a room alone together.  I bet you could have heard a pin drop.  In China.  Although these are gross exaggerations, they serve my point.  No extrovert is complete without an introvert.  No introvert is complete without an extrovert.  (Or an opposite side, at least.)  In order to become fully developed, rounded human beings, people must understand and embrace both of their halves, the engaging, outward-directed E and the reflective, inward-directed I.

This is getting confusing, so I'll switch mediums.

There's a reason why God made people people and not cats.  Human beings are, without doubt, deep, complex, multi-faceted, talented, and always better at something than you are.  And to look at the gift of the fellow human being with occasional doubt or dislike is a terrible mistake.

Some people believe that the first and foremost person in their lives should be themselves.
Extroverts think this.
Introverts think this.

The wiser people who have embraced both their sides know that, no matter who you are, other people are key.  In my humble opinion,
Extroverts should use their other-oriented skills to help people understand themselves.
Introverts should use their own understanding to orient themselves towards others.

I am hereby instituting a new term.  This term represents the conjunction of E and I into the perfect and wholly desirable mean of the two.

The MEDIAVERT (M) is who I try to be, and sometimes who I am without even trying.  The Mediavert is extroverted when he or she needs to be, and introverted when is appropriate, and both as the case may be.  And the Mediavert is entirely people-centered.

Because people matter.  And if people were cats, life would suck.
And some people, like me, are allergic to cats anyways.
And to people who can't stand people.

   22 comments

Name
February 6, 2004   09:32 PM PST
 
I just stepped into this, but here's my two cents.

Introverts and Extroverts, even in the extreme, are still good for society. Some introverts who avoid social pursuits become more able to focus on scientific and intellectual ones, to the benefit of all. Some less bright extroverts can use their geniality to get themselves further in life than they could if left to their wits alone.

This "Mediavert" nonsense is, the way I see it, your plan for how to turn everybody into someone who pleases everyone else. That's not possible. Let's instead marvel at the fact that we all are radically different and yet we coexist without any snags.
Daitryk
January 23, 2004   07:54 PM PST
 
Was the "have no proof" thing directed at me as well?
Janus
January 23, 2004   06:27 PM PST
 
Say whatever you want. Pretend you're right, you very well may be. But until I have proof, your thoughts are as good as mine. There's barely a right and wrong when dealing with these issues, friend.
Real Percussionist
January 22, 2004   11:09 PM PST
 
Beth: That's why I told him h was stupid and should have a disclaimer.

Andy: Good job with that disclaimer. But when I said "write about what you know," I meant make sure you have the facts. This has been studied for years. The fact that all of us know more than you, Mr. Personality Tests, is pretty sad.
Daitryk
January 21, 2004   11:06 PM PST
 
I hestiate to pick apart Amanda G., as she's the only person who defended Andy besides himself, but I have to gnaw at the writing thing.

Mr. Stueben's essay pet peeves are essentially 1) the six deadly words, 2) proofreading/revision, 3) **use of absolutes**, and 4) word usage mistakes. As his writing guide comes from years of experience, and also his readings of various writer's guides, I'm trusting Stueben-man on this.
The point is to get your ideas across with conviction, but not while attempting to cram it down the reader's throat.
We may just be interpreting the same essay two different ways, but I'm not sure.
Daitryk
January 21, 2004   11:06 PM PST
 
I hestiate to pick apart Amanda G., as she's the only person who defended Andy besides himself, but I have to gnaw at the writing thing.

Mr. Stueben's essay pet peeves are essentially 1) the six deadly words, 2) proofreading/revision, 3) **use of absolutes**, and 4) word usage mistakes. As his writing guide comes from years of experience, and also his readings of various writer's guides, I'm trusting Stueben-man on this.
The point is to get your ideas across with conviction, but not while attempting to cram it down the reader's throat.
We may just be interpreting the same essay two different ways, but I'm not sure.
Janus
January 21, 2004   10:00 PM PST
 
*bows*
I stand corrected. I won't complain about X anymore. But after I get some work done and have a bit of ice cream and get in bed, I will be reading up so I can have a good argument for the next racy post I put up. Later.
yep, still me
January 21, 2004   09:56 PM PST
 
Occasionally, someone's score will be almost 50-50 in one preference area or another. In those instances the person receives an "X" for their score in that area. Thus you might be an "XNTP" or an "EXSJ."


There you are. Check out http://www.counseling.mtu.edu/Myers-Briggs.htm for more exciting and scintillating information.
Janus
January 21, 2004   09:42 PM PST
 
Prefacing it? Am I wrong in my comments, in my writing, or both? People are more than welcome to post their opinions instead of saying I'm wrong, and that's that. (Which I very well may be.)

Wow, at least I know people read this stuff.
Janus
January 21, 2004   09:40 PM PST
 
First of all (this is sounding familiar), I write about what I feel, not about what I know. It's in me to be a soddy pushover that'll take direction from anyone.
What I can amend that quote-back to mean is this, this will prove to be a bit more accurate:
Introverts take in information and internalize it.
Extroverts internalize their information and push it out.
And even that's not accurate. What I'm trying to do is give an alternative way of looking at E/I that's not totally screwed over.
I don't expect myself to have all the facts. In fact (ha, fact), the [constructive] criticisms that have been posted here narrow the definition and help me as well.
Also, show me where an MBTI calls for an "X." This elusive "X" has been declared in several peoples' types, and I don't believe it's qualified either. If E, you introvert your secondary function, and if I, you extrovert it. I believe. So before I say things you decide are wrong, and without backing myself up, you cannot be an X because this means that you neither introvert or extrovert your secondary function. If you are a XNTP, for example, you are truly an XXTP.
Real Percussionist
January 21, 2004   09:26 PM PST
 
First, in defense of Andy (I know, gimmie a stick for my eyes): You're not going to write anything good about your opinions by being passive. I promise. The key to good writing, especially in something so passionately felt as Andy's desire to understand people, IS to act like you are right. If you sound unsure, nobody's going to spend any time thinking about what you have said. I didn't even think it sounded all that arrogant. Or course, since I tend to lay things out exactly as I see them, maybe I'm not the best judge. But don't criticize the writing.

Now, the mulitiple stupidities of Andy: They're all right about the points they've made for the most part and you, my friend, are not. Grant was destroyed by this sort of thinking, and so will you if you don't watch it. And you totally lo0se for not preficing this. The point is, you did the right thing by making your case strong. But next time, don't jump in without a warning and DON'T write about what you don't know. If you don't have all the facts, people are definatly going to pick you apart. The less you know, the more inconsistencies, the more they chip away. Next time, do your homework. And the stuff for school too.
yep, still me
January 21, 2004   09:24 PM PST
 
Fine, I'll quote you back:
Extroverts act before thinking.
Introverts think before acting.

Hello? Nuh-uh. Look up the Myers-Briggs definition. I personally have acted before thinking numerous times, and I'm sure there are plenty of Extroverts who have thought before acting. And as for M's having no preference, thats called an X.
Janus
January 21, 2004   09:14 PM PST
 
I'll quote myself.
"Everyone thinks they can categorize introverts and extroverts by watching them in a situation and seeing how they behave. They're at a party and see someone smiling and having fun. "Hey, that guy's an extrovert! He's having fun!" Mistake #1. In regards to the Myers-Briggs Type Interface, E/I is determined by one simple rule of thumb. It's all about decision making."
Maybe I'm wrong, but is that view what I'm being accused of?
Janus
January 21, 2004   09:12 PM PST
 
More defense.
First of all, psych hasn't dealt at all with introvert/extrovertism.
Also, where did I say that extroverts are E's because they like talking to people? I wouldn't make such a horrendous and false generalization.
I'm saying that there are people out there who are recharged in different ways at different times. Essentially, everyone's like this. Sometimes it's good to be looking in. And sometimes it's good to be looking out. An M, pardon me, has no inherent preference. They couldn't care either way. And sure you can change when you want to. Maybe not deep down inside, but your behaviors, if not your attitudes. And that counts for something.
yep, still me
January 21, 2004   09:07 PM PST
 
Andy, Andy, Andy. And you're taking psych?

Introverted does not mean that you just don't like talking to people or whatever or vice versa for Extroverts. You cannot just change what you are when you want to. This Mediavert is rediculous. Ludicrous even. An introvert is someone who recharges when stressed by spending time alone, while an extrovert recharges by being sociable and such. I types prefer talking to small groups, and E types prefer bigger groups. Its a matter of who you are, and your preferences. Neither is a bad thing to be. Sure, both types can be seen both alone and in groups. Its a matter of how people ARE. Ok, now I'm done being infuriated by the M thing.

Christine
Janus
January 21, 2004   07:53 PM PST
 
Me? No way. I'm afraid of my own shadow. I doubt that you could say that anybody is a true E or a true I. We're all blended.
Janus
January 21, 2004   07:49 PM PST
 
Secondly, sure people aren't supposed to be perfect. And lots of people suck. And there are plenty of people that lie, cheat, and steal. But that doesn't mean that it's not worth it to interact with them. Because for every crappy person you meet out there, you'll meet ten amazing folks. Do whatever you feel like. I enjoy seeing the good, and I enjoy being happy, no matter how tinted my view may be. Optimism doesn't kill, foolish optimism does - and I don't think I've traversed that realm just yet.
FieldDM
January 21, 2004   07:46 PM PST
 
Oh. Almost forgot: you're by no means the "perfect and wholly desirable mean of the two".

And since when is there a time when introvertism is inappropriate? Hrmph.
Janus
January 21, 2004   07:45 PM PST
 
That's right, as I thought about what I had written, it struck me that it probably came off as a bit more arrogant than I hoped it would. Please don't view anything you see here as how you should think, or how I think you should think. This is how I think, or how I'd like to think I think. I'm not trying to "convert" people to my way of thinking, I'm just letting what's in my head dribble onto the computer however it comes, with a few prepositional phrases and conjunctions added in for good taste. Don't be offended. If you know me, you know that wasn't meant to offend.
FieldDM
January 21, 2004   07:43 PM PST
 
I'm just not going to bother. The other two have summed it up pretty well.
whodoyouthink
January 21, 2004   06:21 PM PST
 
I agree with Beth. I also have to say, that as a human being, I am allowed to have my own opinions. So quit being irritating and harping on my cat. Cats are absolutely wonderful. You might be allergic to cats, but I'm allergic to you =P

Another note- sure people are important and all that jazz, but people are NOT as great as you make them out to be. You my friend are hopelessly optimistic. Try taking off your rose colored glasses occasionally. People are not as perfect as you think. Granted, people arent supposed to be perfect, so get over it.
Daitryk
January 21, 2004   05:48 PM PST
 
Thanks! I'm sure we needed to condescended to!
The self-aggrandizing. That also helped.

You have a lot of opinions in this. And you're stating them as fact. Personally, it offends me, essentially because you're attemping to proselytize people to your own philosophy.
Try writing a more coherent, thoughtful essay, and maybe I'll listen again.

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